dennis really comfortable with. somebody he spends -- and i think ultimately in your chief of staff, you better be careful if you're playing too much -- worrying too much about your outside politics, you could make a bad pick at chief of staff, and, for instance, the president still feels as if he got talked into bill daley, and that was never the perfect fit on that front. but to go back to this issue of the diversity thing, i think that the white house is being held -- they brought this higher standard on themselves when they smacked around mitt romney on binders full of women and the issues that they made in their campaign. this bothers them, this line of attack, it bothers the president, but that's why it's coming. they sort of raised the bar, if you will. >> we can always do better here, chuck, in response to your shot at me. we can always do better -- >> no -- >> we can always do better in terms of diversity, but you two guys got second billing. you're in "b" block tonight, not "a" block. >> i'm saying we have